#1  How investors can fuel Africa's energy transition

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In our first episode we explore the role investment plays in Africa’s energy transition – from funding large infrastructure to providing access to finance for innovative small businesses. Join Joanne Joseph as she facilitates the conversation with Dele Kuti, Standard Bank’s Global Head of Energy and Infrastructure; NJ Ayuk, Executive Chair of the African Energy Chamber; and Sarah Collins, founder of Wonderbag.
Season 1 / Episode 1 15 Feb 2024 English South Africa Business · Investing

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00:06: The global climate emergency can no longer be
00:09: ignored, especially not in Africa,
00:12: where extreme weather events take a deadly toll
00:15: on some of the world's most vulnerable communities.
00:18: But as planet Earth seeks to decarbonize its energy,
00:21: what is the situation in Africa?
00:24: How is the continent driving the energy transition?
00:27: Let's find out in the Blue Space.
00:38: Hello, my name is Joanne Joseph and I'm your host here in the
00:41: blue space presented by Standard Bank Corporate
00:43: and Investment Banking.
00:45: According to United Nations estimates,
00:47: Africa accounts for less than 4% of global
00:50: emissions.
00:51: Yet,
00:51: our continent suffers the worst effects of rising
00:54: global temperatures.
00:56: Africa is also rich in renewable energy potential.
00:59: The UN estimates that our continent is home to
01:01: 30% of the mineral reserves that power renewable
01:04: and low-carbon technologies.
01:07: How can Africa, so rich in solar,
01:10: wind and hydroelectric power potential,
01:12: fuel the energy transition?
01:14: And what role can or should investors play in making
01:17: this happen?
01:18: Joining me to talk about this are Dele Kuti,
01:21: Global Head of Energy and Infrastructure at
01:24: Standard Bank, NJ Ayuk,
01:27: Executive Chairman of the Africa Energy Chamber and
01:30: author of A Just Transition
01:32: Making Energy Poverty History with an Energy Mix,
01:35: and Sarah Collins,
01:36: founder and owner of Wonderbag,
01:38: an innovative non-electric slow cooker.
01:41: Hello to you all.
01:42: Welcome to the Blue Space.
01:43: Lovely to be with you today.
01:45: So I'm going to kick it off with you, NJ.
01:47: I mean,
01:48: there's a huge gap between Africa's energy
01:50: potential and the reality of how long it's taking to
01:54: get to the point where we can see ourselves exploiting that
01:57: full potential.
01:58: What explains that gap at this stage?
02:01: There is a gap that exists,
02:02: and that gap is access to finance.
02:05: Because we're still dealing with an issue where you have
02:08: 600 million
02:09: Africans without any access to electricity,
02:12: 900 million without any access to clean cooking
02:15: technologies, most of them women.
02:17: We have to close that gap between
02:20: energy access and our ability to drive
02:23: it up.
02:24: Access to finance is key.
02:27: And Africa has really been
02:29: underfunded, underexplored,
02:32: and a lot of projects without financing.
02:35: but also a lot of financing without bankable
02:38: projects.
02:39: That is the gap that needs to be closed.
02:41: So let me bring you in here, Dele,
02:43: because if investment is needed,
02:45: as NJ tells us,
02:46: what's the investment case for putting money into renewal energy
02:49: projects on this continent?
02:51: No, thank you very much.
02:52: And I think as NJ kind of mentioned,
02:55: Africa today has a remarkable opportunity
02:58: when it comes to Africa energy transition because of the
03:01: abundance of resources available.
03:03: And I'm speaking from solar.
03:05: you know,
03:05: wind and hydro as you did mention in terms of the
03:08: abundance of that.
03:09: You know, interestingly also, I mean,
03:10: you require about 1.3 trillion dollars of
03:13: investment to be able to support that in
03:16: the continent.
03:17: So, clearly,
03:18: when you start thinking around energy transition and the demand that
03:21: is there in the future,
03:22: Africa is actually the place to be able to do that.
03:26: Today, why is it this circumspect?
03:28: The issue of energy security is now very important.
03:31: I mean, we've seen the challenges that kind of come with the
03:34: Russia and Ukraine crisis,
03:36: with the fact that you're seeing things like oil and gas
03:39: have some shift in terms of
03:43: geopolitical situation that could impact that.
03:45: So there's massive investment that could go into actually
03:48: making sure that you can develop the energy where
03:51: the resources are clearly present.
03:54: As part of your opening also,
03:56: you did mention about 40% of the mineral
03:58: required to be able to meet energy
04:01: transition is clearly there in Africa.
04:03: So the investment case is there.
04:04: And we at Standard Bank, we're actually pioneering that, you know,
04:07: as part of the things that we're doing.
04:09: We've put a policy in place where we're facilitating, you know,
04:12: between 250 to 300 billion rand of
04:15: investment into renewable energy.
04:17: You know, we supported,
04:18: you know, this, I mean, the last two years,
04:21: we've actually facilitated close to 40 billion of investment that is in
04:24: there,
04:25: 40 billion rand of investment into renewable energy.
04:28: So the investment case is there from demand perspective,
04:31: one opportunity to be able to do that.
04:33: But I think, as NG mentioned,
04:34: there's a clear need for reform in most of the
04:37: continent.
04:38: What kind of reform are we talking
04:41: about?
04:42: The challenge you have today is the fact that most of the sovereign
04:44: continent today are clearly challenged.
04:47: Why the success story in South Africa is because most of those early
04:50: stage of cases were put in place,
04:52: policy were put in place, transparency were put in place to be able to do that.
04:56: But when you start going into the sub-Saharan African country,
04:58: the sovereign is very weak in terms of the fact that, you know,
05:01: technically most of them are bankrupt, you know,
05:03: if you kind of think around from investment perspective when you start
05:06: looking
05:06: at the case.
05:07: The cost of infrastructure to be able to get the right return
05:11: in the continent is clear challenging
05:13: because you need a lot of infrastructure to be able to do that.
05:16: The return that, you know,
05:17: investors would like to see in place in terms of,
05:20: you know,
05:21: the required investment return when you try to do those projects is quite
05:24: important for the continent.
05:26: As somebody who's been involved in Wonderbag so
05:28: successfully for so many years, are you feeling that?
05:31: that investment.
05:32: on the ground?
05:34: Jo, that's a really interesting question and you talk
05:37: about successfully driving Wonderbag.
05:40: It hasn't been successful for 15 years.
05:42: We've been around for 15 years but the funding has not
05:45: been available and the just
05:48: energy transition,
05:49: I'm talking about the 900 million women who
05:52: don't have access to clean cooking solutions,
05:55: an age-old technology which I developed called
05:58: the Wonderbag.
05:59: is changing the lives of millions of women
06:02: across Africa.
06:04: That's where we need investment.
06:06: We need investment into the real people who are
06:09: feeling climate change right now.
06:12: The innovations belong in Africa.
06:14: We have them.
06:15: We don't need to look to Silicon Valley.
06:17: We actually have that.
06:19: What we need to do is re-look at how do we
06:21: invest.
06:22: The South African government introduced the carbon
06:25: tax in 2019.
06:27: That's the reason I have investment right now,
06:30: because I have a business model that stacks up.
06:33: So how, NJ, do we close that gap between Dele,
06:37: who is providing financing at a very high level,
06:39: and between the kind of women that Sarah is working
06:42: with on the ground,
06:44: who need to be a part of the just energy transition,
06:47: but cannot necessarily access Dele directly?
06:50: We need to create an enabling environment.
06:54: This is an African struggle.
06:56: This is what you have to really look at it from
06:59: an African perspective.
07:01: You're not going to get financing if you're the
07:04: right regulatory environment.
07:06: It's not there.
07:07: I always say sign, baby, sign.
07:10: It shouldn't take so long to approve a project
07:13: than the time you need to build that project.
07:16: You need to be able to drive up projects and you
07:19: really need government to come in.
07:21: What if we incentivize growth?
07:24: What if we provided tax subsidies,
07:27: tax incentives for entrepreneurs and
07:29: financing,
07:30: finance financiers look at that and say,
07:33: these are shovel ready projects.
07:35: These are bankable projects.
07:36: We need to do that.
07:38: Holding back on approvals,
07:39: holding back on permits,
07:42: going away from the ills of the past like mismanagement
07:45: and corruption,
07:46: that can really help drive that.
07:48: But that's what we need to do because
07:51: banks need that.
07:53: entrepreneurs need that space for them to grow.
07:56: And everyday people can just
07:58: benefit from that because when you do that,
08:00: you create jobs, you create opportunity,
08:03: you create new revenue streams for
08:06: government, more taxpayers,
08:08: you're expanding your tax base,
08:10: and you're just breathing hope into communities
08:13: that felt or have felt shut down as
08:16: nothing is there for them.
08:17: Then you start seeing money coming in
08:20: from...
08:21: banks like Standard Bank and you start seeing other
08:24: people bringing innovative solutions to really deal with
08:26: Africa's problems.
08:28: You know the issue of hope is an important one, Dele,
08:30: and people will want to know that you have invested in some
08:33: worthwhile renewable energy projects.
08:36: Very briefly,
08:37: your final thoughts on this and Standard Bank's role in this.
08:40: I mean,
08:41: Standard Bank is currently committed to driving energy transition of the
08:44: continent and we've facilitated real investment into
08:47: the market.
08:48: In the last few years, we've actually depended
08:49: deploy between 30 to 40 billion rand
08:52: to support renewable projects, especially in South Africa,
08:56: based on some of the big processes that have been put in place.
08:59: In fact,
08:59: we just recently closed battery
09:02: projects and renewable projects in South Africa,
09:05: where we actually support a client that actually generates renewable
09:08: energy to be able to support a base-load energy provider
09:12: into the continent.
09:13: And we're not only doing that in South Africa,
09:15: we're also doing that in other African countries.
09:17: We supported a 300 megawatt project,
09:18: the Lake Tokona project in Kenya.
09:21: We're very keen to continue to do that as a bank.
09:24: In fact,
09:24: one of the things we've actually assigned ourselves to do that
09:27: in the next two to three years,
09:29: we actually want to facilitate between three to five gigawatt of power
09:32: into the continent, because as NJ mentioned,
09:35: Energy poverty is real in Africa.
09:37: I want to make sure that we continue to drive that.
09:39: And not only driving that at a large scale level,
09:41: we also want to make sure that at least at a small
09:44: scale level,
09:45: we facilitate deployment of solar into
09:47: various homes in the continent.
09:49: We're happy to support various initiatives, you know,
09:51: the likes of things that Wonderbatch is doing in the continent to be able to
09:54: make sure that we drive energy not only at a
09:57: high level basis,
09:58: but also to kind of ensure that the community where this
10:01: is required.
10:02: in order to be able to accelerate growth in the continent where they
10:05: are standing by to be able to support this initiative.
10:07: What for you are the most promising
10:10: opportunities for energy infrastructure development, NJ?
10:13: It's about common sense.
10:14: It's about pragmatism.
10:16: It's about using whatever it
10:19: takes for us to get out of an
10:22: energy crisis that we are.
10:24: Because actually, we are in an energy crisis.
10:27: Can you imagine if you had in Europe or the
10:30: United States where you have...
10:32: Maybe two-thirds of the people
10:35: with no electricity,
10:37: CNN would be on it every day.
10:40: But right now in Africa,
10:42: where you have two-thirds of the people with no
10:44: electricity, it's okay.
10:46: That's normal.
10:47: We don't have to normalize it.
10:50: The arc of a moral universe is long,
10:53: but it bends towards justice.
10:55: But it doesn't bend by itself.
10:57: It's what we do to drive it.
11:00: Working with financial institutions.
11:02: entrepreneurs,
11:03: and then that's how we make it to move
11:06: towards that just transition that we want to
11:09: see.
11:10: I'm going to leave it there.
11:10: Delia, thank you so much for your insights.
11:12: Sarah, NJ, lovely having all of you to discuss this.
11:15: And of course, the conversation will continue here.
11:18: Energy transition is a big topic.
11:19: There's so much more we could talk about.
11:21: We'll leave it there for now, though.
11:22: And thank you to our guests.
11:24: Thank you all for your insights.
11:25: I'm Joanne Joseph.
11:26: Thank you for watching.
11:27: And until the next time we meet, take care.
11:32: visit www.standardbank.com for
11:35: slash cib to find out more about blue space

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