
EP 42 | “Sell Intelligence, Not Raw Data” - Mark Nasila on Data Sovereignty
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AI must create real value, not just proofs-of-concept. Dr. Mark Nasila explains how FNB’s risk function uses data and AI to stay ahead of evolving regulation and fraud -preventing some R2 billion in losses annually - and why people now make decisions after AI aggregates the evidence (including small language models drafting forensic reports for roughly 220,000 investigations a year). He details how to avoid hallucinations and over-reliance on tools with a clear human-in-the-loop sign-off.
From “African AI” as a value-first agenda (health, energy, local constraints) to the industry’s fixation on use cases over end-to-end transformation, Nasila argues the metric that matters is experience and outcomes, not shiny tech. He calls for national focus areas, public–private partnerships, and data sovereignty that controls the AI value chain -“sell intelligence, not raw data” - backed by urgent, coherent AI strategy, not just policy.
Chapters / timestamps
00:00 – Intro: role of Chief Data & Analytics Officer (risk, regulation, proactiveness)
01:34 – Regulations as trust & value; automating compliance at scale
03:10 – AI in risk: ~R2 billion fraud prevented; 220k investigations; SLM forensic reports
05:24 – Hallucinations & over-reliance: limits of models; human-in-the-loop sign-off
08:34 – Defining “African AI”: value-first, local problems, infra, skills, ethics
10:53 – Find the right problems: R&D and prioritisation inside firms & government
12:23 – Why most are stuck at POCs; transform processes, not demos
16:16 – “AI washing”: inflated POC claims vs measured, experience-level value
19:23 – National AI policy: prioritise sectors; augment jobs; socio-economic lens
22:42 – People still matter: limits of chatbots/coding; bring humans back where needed
26:04 – Government data, strategy, and global benchmarks (US/EU/China focus & investment)
28:49 – Efficiency examples and why strategy must lead policy
31:07 – AI as geopolitics/industry driver; sovereign AI and owning the value chain
38:06 – Data centres vs sovereignty; “sell intelligence,” protect the pipeline
41:13 – Where to find the books; closing remarks & next steps
#TheAnglePodcast #MarkNasila #FNB #AI #FraudPrevention #RiskAnalytics #DataSovereignty #HumanInTheLoop #AfricanAI #AIAtScale
Produced and Published by Submedia.co.za
From “African AI” as a value-first agenda (health, energy, local constraints) to the industry’s fixation on use cases over end-to-end transformation, Nasila argues the metric that matters is experience and outcomes, not shiny tech. He calls for national focus areas, public–private partnerships, and data sovereignty that controls the AI value chain -“sell intelligence, not raw data” - backed by urgent, coherent AI strategy, not just policy.
Chapters / timestamps
00:00 – Intro: role of Chief Data & Analytics Officer (risk, regulation, proactiveness)
01:34 – Regulations as trust & value; automating compliance at scale
03:10 – AI in risk: ~R2 billion fraud prevented; 220k investigations; SLM forensic reports
05:24 – Hallucinations & over-reliance: limits of models; human-in-the-loop sign-off
08:34 – Defining “African AI”: value-first, local problems, infra, skills, ethics
10:53 – Find the right problems: R&D and prioritisation inside firms & government
12:23 – Why most are stuck at POCs; transform processes, not demos
16:16 – “AI washing”: inflated POC claims vs measured, experience-level value
19:23 – National AI policy: prioritise sectors; augment jobs; socio-economic lens
22:42 – People still matter: limits of chatbots/coding; bring humans back where needed
26:04 – Government data, strategy, and global benchmarks (US/EU/China focus & investment)
28:49 – Efficiency examples and why strategy must lead policy
31:07 – AI as geopolitics/industry driver; sovereign AI and owning the value chain
38:06 – Data centres vs sovereignty; “sell intelligence,” protect the pipeline
41:13 – Where to find the books; closing remarks & next steps
#TheAnglePodcast #MarkNasila #FNB #AI #FraudPrevention #RiskAnalytics #DataSovereignty #HumanInTheLoop #AfricanAI #AIAtScale
Produced and Published by Submedia.co.za





