BNC#9 | Johnny Copelyn: From a banned union organiser to SA's most patient dealmaker

Johnny Copelyn turned a one million rand trade union investment fund into HCI, a business now worth well over ten billion rand, without ever raiding the pockets of the workers who backed him. In one of his last interviews as CEO, he talks candidly about a bank that nearly went under on his watch, buses set alight in a running battle with the taxi industry, and why HCI is still ploughing money into oil and gas off Mossel Bay and Namibia even after most of the world's biggest players walked away. He also explains, bluntly, why South Africa keeps sitting on resources that its neighbours are racing to develop.