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In this weekly feature Michael Avery gets up close and personal with South Africa’s business and political economy leaders, to uncover what makes them tick, keeps them up at night and keeps them going through the Covid storm. Michael Avery’s guest this week is currently the longest serving bank CEO in the country having now served for roughly ten years in that position. He attended St John’s College (Harare) and completed his schooling at Maritzburg College, before graduating from Natal University (Pietermaritzburg) in 1987 where he received the Jack Armstrong award as the best final year student. He concluded his two year tenure as Chairman of The Banking Association of South Africa in June this year and is currently the Deputy Chairman of Business Leadership South Africa. Michael William Thomas Brown, Nedbank CEO, just Mike to most, shares his thoughts on the Treasury Loan Guarantee Scheme, the Basel pendulum of bank regulation swinging too far and what he’d do to fix Eskom.