The calm before the stormwater

5.3.25 Pt 1 - Gareth sits down with former Tshwane Mayor Cilliers Brink for a hard-hitting conversation about the state of South Africa’s metros—particularly the capital city, Pretoria. They unpack the challenges of crumbling infrastructure, how neglected stormwater drains are impacting the economy, and the political turbulence following a vote of no confidence.