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Hello and welcome to Why She Leads,
a podcast by Standard Bank CIB. |
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My name is Nzinga Qunta, |
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and I'm so privileged to be hosting
discussions with powerful dealmakers |
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inside Standard Bank CIB. |
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Now, when we're having these
conversations, we're trying to find out |
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how these women got into the positions
that they occupy, |
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tips that they can share with us |
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obstacles they've overcome,
and whether or not they've managed to find |
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that very elusive balance
between their work and personal life. |
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Joining me today, Sharon Brighton,
the Head of Legal Enablement |
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at Standard Bank, CIB. |
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Sharon, thanks so much for your time on
Why She Leads today, |
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really
looking forward to our conversation. |
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How would you introduce yourself
to someone who doesn't know you? |
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I'm deeply passionate. |
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When I think of Standard Bank |
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and I think of we believe in here,
Africa is our home, we drive her growth, |
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it really is something that talks to me. |
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I'm a deeply purposeful person, |
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and that is what really drives me
every day. |
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I wake up every morning, |
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really feeling privileged
to be part of this organisation. |
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Fantastic. Just tell me a little bit
about your upbringing. |
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I know you’re a Jo’burg girl through and through. |
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Yes, so I grew up in Jo'burg, |
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I don't tell many people this,
I was born in Springs. |
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Ha,ha..
born in Springs. |
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So I grew up in the East Rand. |
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I grew up in a very sort of,
let's call it traditional |
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sort of setting, middle class family. |
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Both my parents worked. |
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I suppose the one thing that I think
about when I think of my childhood is |
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my parents were very purposeful
about my education, |
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so they spent many hours |
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and dedicated a lot of time
taking me to all different |
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types of places, giving me
the most incredible opportunities, |
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and I'm so deeply grateful for that. |
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And how do you think how you grew
up, your parents |
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working, impacted your career path,
what you decided to study? |
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So because my parents were so purposeful
about my education |
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and because it
didn't really matter to them what I did, |
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I think
because it was really self-sufficiency, |
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independence, passion
that they wanted from me, |
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that has put me in good stead
for whatever I've chosen in my life. |
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Honestly, from a very young girl,
I wanted to be a lawyer. |
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I don't really remember
never wanting to be a lawyer. |
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I even looked at my school book
a couple of months ago, |
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and you know, when they say,
‘What do you want to be?’ |
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and it said a corporate lawyer,
and I'm living the dream. |
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So, and I feel really deeply grateful
and privileged to be in the position |
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that I am.
Yeah. |
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Both my parents worked extremely hard,
my dad’s 74 and still works. |
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My mom had a very successful career
in a corporate for 35 years. |
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They're the most inspiring people I know. |
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I'm really grateful to have them |
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as people that I look up to every day
and want to be just like them. |
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Mmm... |
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Who else inspires you
in your professional life? |
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I've been at the bank for 15 years, |
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and I've been so blessed |
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to have such incredible people
that have guided me along the way. |
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When, you know,
when preparing for this today, |
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they asked, who was your mentor? |
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And I actually don't have a mentor.
I actually have |
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a board of directors who I tap into. |
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And, you know, some of it is technical,
so I feel that |
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I've got people that I can talk
to technically about things. |
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I've got people on my board of directors
who challenge me, |
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and sometimes I don't like
the conversation in that moment |
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I feel uncomfortable,
but actually they're there to grow me. |
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I've got people
that will always be my cheerleaders, |
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and you need those
in your board of directors as well. |
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I really do feel that they have created |
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such an amazing opportunity for me
to go forward in this organisation. |
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You know, when we were looking for people
to speak about you, |
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there were so many people that responded,
we had to whittle it down, |
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and so I love that you said there's
a board of directors, so I'd like to read... |
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Oh no, you’ll make me cry. |
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I mean, we don't mind crying, |
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there's tissues somewhere here. |
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Clive Laburn, first has a quote
and he says, |
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‘Don't need the space between who you are
and who you want to be, |
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terrify you’. |
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That's something that he quoted
and he had this to say about you. |
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Sharon is inspirational. |
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Besides being a warm and bubbly family
lady and good friend, |
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she is a very capable
and ambitious legal professional, |
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and she manages to juggle it all
while making work fun. |
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She's genuine. |
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And what you see is what you get. |
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I was surprised when she first reached out
to me for advice on her career path, |
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and perhaps she was surprised that I was
not trying to get her to stay in risk. |
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But try to be as open minded
about possibilities and opportunities |
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for her as possible while debating
the merits of staying or moving. |
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In my own teams |
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I've got used to some people moving on
and finding |
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what they are really passionate about. |
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And so I try and see it from their view
and maybe just help them test their own |
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thinking in their pathway. |
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All the credit of what she has achieved |
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is due to her as a result
and nothing I have done. |
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She has been brave enough to make switches
when she has run out of road |
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and deal with change but always wanting
to make a difference and influence. |
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She's certainly one of the most impressive |
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female leaders
we are lucky enough to have in the bank. |
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I chose the quote which I took off the net
because it ties into our chats over time |
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and the courage
she has to make her own way forward. |
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Sho! That's beautiful. |
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I actually feel very emotional by that. |
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But, he's a great guy
and he's actually one of those people |
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when I when I speak about |
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how he challenges, he's
someone who's challenged me, |
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who's made me think differently
about |
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what to do,
because it's easy sometimes |
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to go down a traditional path. |
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And he's really made me think,
Want do you want get out of this? |
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How do you see this for yourself? |
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And it's rare to have |
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that kind of quality
in a person who actually |
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is selfless in that moment
and goes, this actually not about me, |
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this is about you,
and what do you want to do? |
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Okay, |
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let's listen to another...
Theres another one? |
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Well you did say
you've got a board of directors. |
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I do have a board of directors. Okay. |
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This is from Marita Koti. |
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I wish I could remember the first time I met Sharon |
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sadly I dont, |
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but Im pretty sure I was left thinking
who is that lady? |
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The word that I could use to describe Sharon is passion. |
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and its just that passion that you meet |
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when you have your initial interactions with Sharon, |
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that you just need to embrace |
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Sharon takes her passion and she is getting stuff done |
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Shes one of the colleagues that I hold in very high regard. |
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because of her effectiveness and her ability to really
and truly get stuff done. |
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and thats been most evident recently in her time
having taken on the enablement role |
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Shes only been in that role for a
short period of time |
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and she’s really done a phenomenal job of |
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establishing important steps towards building a profile |
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for the CIB legal team in various parts of CIB |
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which we hadn’t touched on before |
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and it’s just really exciting to see how
this could develop |
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and you know often, from time to time
I’ll have an interaction with Sharon |
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and I’ll be like,
Wait is that your job? |
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and she’ll always say
Yes absolutely. |
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and thats just because Sharon has that attitude |
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of whatever it is that is needed or has
to get done |
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I can handle it and I will do it. |
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And I really admire that in Sharon
and I wish her the best in her role. |
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Sho! You really are going to make me cry. |
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Marita is very special, |
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I mean, I'm very fortunate
because I actually used to report to Marita, |
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and Marita, as you heard, |
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I mean, how eloquent is that woman? |
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she's exceptional,
but she just gives really great advice. |
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I think what I...
when I heard her say passion, |
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I immediately was drawn to my parents |
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because that's exactly
what they wanted for me. |
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They wanted me to be independent,
self-sufficient and passionate. |
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And the fact that someone else recognises
that in you |
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kind of makes me think I've done,
I've done my job |
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and that I'm living actually the dream
of my parents and the dream of myself, |
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and that that feels
immensely, overwhelmingly amazing. |
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It's incredible to be acknowledged
for what you hope for yourself, |
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what your parents hope for you. |
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Absolutely. |
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It really is. It's |
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there's actually no words
to really describe what it feels like to |
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to have someone see you
in the way that you want to show up. |
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Mmm, you've come so far in your career, |
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if you had to speak to the version of you |
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that was still young and starting out,
What would you say? |
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I would tell my younger self, slow down,
everything comes to you |
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for those who wait,
and never underestimate hard work. |
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But I wouldn't |
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tell my younger self anything further
because I needed to make mistakes. |
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I've made some pretty big mistakes, |
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where I've gone. |
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This is, you know, life changing, |
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this is terrible. |
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I've let myself down, I've let my family
down, this organisation down, whatever. |
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But I'll never forget it, will I? |
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What's the importance
of making those kind of mistakes? |
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And if someone is watching
who's building their career |
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and is making those mistakes,
which they feel are fatal, |
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or harmful to their career,
What do they need to remember? |
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It's about having the humility to say,
I've made a mistake. |
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It's about owning it and being mindful |
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around what you need to do not
to do that further. |
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I mean, |
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or not to do that again in the future. |
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And so it's got a little bit to do with
like, don't be so hard on yourself, |
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but also own it, like |
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show up in a way
that is authentic, |
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show up in a way that people know that you
you know, |
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that you have this element to you
that is vulnerable. |
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I don't think
there's anything wrong with it. |
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But it's about how you get out of it. |
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Be kind to yourself
in that moment of getting out of it and, |
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and own what you need to
and just work damn hard next time |
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and learn from it. |
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And so at the level that you operate
in, can you give us insight |
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into some of these high level deals
that you've participated in? |
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that pressure, |
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and then just saying, I'm
going to get through. |
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obviously we don’t want all
the details. |
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So I think inherently
you're not going to meet many lawyers |
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that are not fired by that real pressure |
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of getting a deal over the line,
particularly in Standard Bank. |
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I mean, I look at my legal colleagues,
we're completely driven |
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to get the best for our
for our clients. |
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It's just this inherent nature
of who we are, |
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and certainly I resonate with that. |
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When I go into a transaction
and maybe I'm fortunate |
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because I look at it differently. |
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I always love the back
story of our clients. |
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I was in real estate for seven years. |
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I was Head of Real Estate, Legal
for seven years for Standard Bank, |
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and I felt so immensely proud
when I walked into |
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an office block
that we had just built for our clients |
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and how proud that they were
to show me around. |
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One of my favourite deals
that I've ever done, or my favourite transactions |
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was the deal for M-KOPA
and why it really resonated with me is, |
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if I think of myself as a woman
in the financial industry and I think |
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and then I put the layer and context
of Africa on it, you know, women |
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financial inclusion for women
is, it's just, |
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we're at infancy stages. |
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And, you know, why I was so inspired
with M-KOPA is |
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you know, part of the funding
that we helped with, |
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along with other lenders,
was really financial inclusion for women. |
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And people go, what does that really mean? |
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Well, it's about actually empowering,
about giving a woman a quality smartphone |
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that she's able to afford and she's able
to, you know, buy the necessary |
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kind of ingredients for her shop
in an informal market to sell sandwiches |
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or porridge or soup or,
you know, there was one story |
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where it was a hairdresser who started to |
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record content on Instagram
and she got more clients as a result. |
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Those kind of things
drive me to do those deals. |
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Those are the kind of deals
that I stayed up all night to do, |
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and it's just the most amazing feeling
when it closes. |
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I can't explain it, it's just, it's
just great. |
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What are you doing when you're not sleeping? |
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in those hours
where everyone is staying awake |
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trying to get the deal over the line? |
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I love those moments
because we are all |
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so highly connected in that moment
to get it over the line. |
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There's no like,
Oh, we waiting for someone to do this or, |
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Oh, you know, it's stuck in credit or,
Oh, we need... |
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There's none of that. |
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There's no...
everyone is so focused and purposeful |
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in getting it over the line,
that's why I say |
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it doesn't feel like it's a job
in that moment. |
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it doesn't feel like it's a job
in that moment. |
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It feels like
this is kind of the reason we're here. |
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Amazing. |
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Yeah. Amazing.
Thank you. |
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And then you speaking about the importance
of transformation and inclusion. |
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Yes. |
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But it's been said
that if women are included |
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financially in Africa,
our GDP collectively would increase |
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by between 5 and 15%,
just by making sure |
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that women are participating,
nothing, nothing too much, |
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just making sure that more women
are in that space. |
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And it's important, I guess, on
an individual basis as well, to make sure |
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that you're bringing women into the space, |
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100% |
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and empowering and mentoring them. |
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Tell me about what you do? |
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I am very proud to say |
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when I was in real estate legal,
all of the lawyers were female |
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and actually the leadership of Real Estate
at one particular time, |
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the head of Credit, the head of Legal,
the head of Compliance, |
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the head of the business were all female. |
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I just think that's awesome.
What we need to continue to do |
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is ensure that we bring more women
into our workforce. |
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They bring a different perspective. |
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They bring a diversity
that we can't ever ignore, |
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and yeah,
I feel really very proud of CIB Legal |
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specifically and the transformation
we've made from a female perspective. |
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Okay. |
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I have a letter from your mentee. |
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It's Sharon Baddoo. |
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Yes, my namesake,
we’re both Sharon’s, that's so cool. |
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Dear Sharon, thank
you for being an amazing mentor to me. |
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I'm genuinely grateful
for all the advice and wisdom |
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you have generously shared
and continued to share with me. |
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Your continuous guidance |
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and support have been instrumental
in my career and personal growth. |
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You show faith in me even when I don't. |
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Your knack for seeing
the bright side of things is remarkable, |
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enviable, and worth emulating. |
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You never let the perfect
get in the way of the good |
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you have held my hand and led me into
rooms. |
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Rooms never have considered stepping into
and being one of my biggest cheerleaders. |
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You make time to actively listen to me,
even when you have so much to deal with |
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and are keen to share
your experience and advice. |
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I often wonder how you do it. |
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You epitomise
walking the talk of being human first. |
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You are an inspiration to me |
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and have left an indelible
mark in my life, in my career. |
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Thanks to you, I'm
a better version of myself. |
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Yeah. |
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Dankie, oyiwaladon, meaning |
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thank you in Ga, my native dialect. |
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That is so special. |
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So Sharon |
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is a colleague. |
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So she's a legal colleague of mine. |
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We, I think, started as a friendship really, and |
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I take the role of mentor quite seriously.
It's not just for me about, |
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Oh, please put a meeting in my diary
when we meet once a month. |
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17:15
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To me, it's a very purposeful relationship
around, what do you want |
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17:19
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17:21
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And what do I want
to get out of it as well? |
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17:23
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Because it's
I do believe it's a two way street, |
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17:24
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despite the fact that I'm a mentor, |
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17:26
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what I want to do is,
I don't want to waste her time |
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17:29
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and I don't want her time to feel wasted
either, |
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17:32
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and I don't want
to waste my time I suppose. |
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17:35
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So what
I love about how Sharon has showed up |
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17:38
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in these sessions and
and conversations I've had with her |
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17:42
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is that she's very deliberate about,
‘This is what I'm struggling with. |
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17:46
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This is how I have thought about it.’ |
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17:49
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So she hasn't just gone.
This is what I'm struggling with. Help me. |
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17:52
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She's gone.
‘This is what I'm struggling with. |
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17:54
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This is how I think
I'm thinking of doing it. |
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17:56
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What would you... how would you do this or |
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17:59
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how would you think I should potentially
frame it? or whatever the case is.’ |
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18:03
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And for that, I'm really grateful |
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18:04
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because it really is a relationship
that needs to be nurtured. |
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18:08
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And I'm so proud of her. |
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18:10
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Ah, she's great. |
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18:11
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I'm, I'm very grateful
to have her in my life. |
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18:14
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I've heard this thing, |
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18:16
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I don't know if it's true
so you need to clear it up for me, |
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18:19
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that it's easier to be in-house Legal |
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18:21
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than be in a firm. |
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18:24
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The pressures are different. |
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18:25
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So it's not that we work |
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18:28
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less hours or more hours, |
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18:31
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depending on whether you're in-house
or in a firm. |
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18:36
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It's a different kind of pressure. |
|
18:37
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So I think the pressures are, we're not |
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18:41
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we're not chasing
a timesheet, in the bank. |
|
18:44
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I'm not filling in a timesheet
and trying to meet a target. |
|
18:49
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What happens in Practice, I think is more
that it's very transactional based. |
|
18:54
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And so if you come into the bank |
|
18:56
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thinking that all I'm going
to be doing is transactions, |
|
19:01
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I think you might struggle a little bit
because there's a lot more that’s |
|
19:04
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expected of you. |
|
19:05
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But when I say a lot more is expected
of you, it's not like this overwhelmingly... |
|
19:09
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It's that you want to
be part of this journey. |
|
19:12
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So it's not that we work less hours |
|
19:15
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or that the pressure is less, |
|
19:18
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it's that it's different. |
|
19:20
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How do you balance being a parent, |
|
19:23
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daughter, wife, |
|
19:26
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mom, |
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19:27
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big deal banker, |
|
19:29
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Lawyer? |
|
19:31
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Yeah, so it's a
combination of a couple of things. |
|
19:35
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So I kept on chasing this elusive balance,
like I have to have balance in my life. |
|
19:40
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I have to do this. |
|
19:41
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I have to run,
I have to cook, I have to whatever. |
|
19:45
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And I was very fortunate that I went to
a life coach a couple of years ago. |
|
19:48
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She's a fantastic person
who gave me a lot of insights, |
|
19:53
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and she said,
“Well, instead of looking at it like it's |
|
19:57
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a real balancing act, like, here's
your family and here's your work, |
|
20:01
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why don't you kind of look at your life
as a big, like a cake, or a wheel, |
|
20:08
|
And that |
|
20:09
|
there are certain days
where the segments of the cake |
|
20:11
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for your family
are going to be a little bit smaller, |
|
20:13
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and the segments for work
are going to be a bit bigger. |
|
20:16
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And the next day, actually a new cake
is there and the segment for your family |
|
20:20
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is going to be bigger
than the segment for business...” |
|
20:22
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Somehow that resonates with me better, |
|
20:24
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but I think really |
|
20:28
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and truly, I'm
very fortunate in that my husband, |
|
20:35
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he certainly was never going |
|
20:38
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to get a traditional wife out of me
and that he knew from the get go. |
|
20:43
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And so I have a very, very important |
|
20:47
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infrastructure around me. |
|
20:49
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And part of
that infrastructure is really him. |
|
20:52
|
I mean, he, you know, really |
|
20:55
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is just such a supportive person
who I am so grateful to have in my life. |
|
21:00
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But over and above that,
we have set up our lives |
|
21:04
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to have an infrastructure
that makes me feel comfortable. |
|
21:06
|
It's changed over the years. |
|
21:08
|
You know, when my kids were smaller
and, you know, my son was very ill |
|
21:12
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when he was first born,
we needed actual real care around him, |
|
21:17
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and so we had an infrastructure
that supported that, |
|
21:19
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whilst I still was able to work and |
|
21:23
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I didn't feel, I need to be there,
but then I'm neglecting work. |
|
21:27
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It felt like my pie on certain days |
|
21:32
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had to be segmented
in a particular way. |
|
21:34
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And I think that's
how it's worked for me. |
|
21:38
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Don't always get it right, and I think
we've got to be fair on ourselves, |
|
21:43
|
but for the most part
I think I get there. |
|
21:47
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What's the most important thing
you've learned in your journey so far? |
|
21:53
|
You can't win every battle. |
|
21:57
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Yeah. |
|
21:59
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I think when you're younger,
you want to fight everything, and fight |
|
22:02
|
I don't mean in a conflict way. |
|
22:06
|
It's that same thing about always
you getting... |
|
22:09
|
you just want to get to the next thing. |
|
22:11
|
you just want to get to the next thing. |
|
22:11
|
I think it's about |
|
22:14
|
letting go of some things
that are not important. |
|
22:17
|
What is the thing that you
you need to sustain your own |
|
22:21
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love and appreciation for yourself
and your own self-worth? |
|
22:26
|
And then what, |
|
22:27
|
what matters to you and your family
or whatever is important to you? |
|
22:31
|
It doesn't necessarily have to be family. |
|
22:33
|
In my case, it is. |
|
22:34
|
Don't sweat the small stuff, man. |
|
22:37
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It’s a really simple lesson, |
|
22:40
|
.
but it really is that. |
|
22:42
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Thank you so much for your time today, |
|
22:43
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Thank you so much. |
|
22:44
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I feel like I've got so much insight
into the legal sector at |
|
22:48
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Standard Bank CIB, the challenges that you've
overcome, the mistakes that you've made, |
|
22:52
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but most importantly,
just life lessons on how to keep going |
|
22:57
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inside and outside the boardroom.
Thank you. |
|
22:59
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Thank you so much. Really appreciate it. |
