
S03 #177 Go into the future with eyes wide open | Bronwyn Williams and Geci Karuri-Sebina
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Power is shifting. Are you ready?
2025 has been one of the most disruptive political performances we've witnessed in a long time. The lines between government and business have blurred, with corporations becoming more political, more powerful — and perhaps, too powerful. For years, governments have borrowed from the corporate playbook, and now we’re at an inflection point.
What’s on the horizon? What are the risks? And what does it all mean for economies, industries, and everyday citizens?
This podcast is not for the myopic.
In this episode, I sit with Geci Karuri-Sebina Associate Professor at
University of the Witwatersrand (Wits School of Governance) and Director of the Southern African Node of the Millennium Project, and Bronwyn Williams, Futurist, Economist, and Director at Flux Trends who also advises the UNDP.
2025 has been one of the most disruptive political performances we've witnessed in a long time. The lines between government and business have blurred, with corporations becoming more political, more powerful — and perhaps, too powerful. For years, governments have borrowed from the corporate playbook, and now we’re at an inflection point.
What’s on the horizon? What are the risks? And what does it all mean for economies, industries, and everyday citizens?
This podcast is not for the myopic.
In this episode, I sit with Geci Karuri-Sebina Associate Professor at
University of the Witwatersrand (Wits School of Governance) and Director of the Southern African Node of the Millennium Project, and Bronwyn Williams, Futurist, Economist, and Director at Flux Trends who also advises the UNDP.





